Full Transcript: Ramaco Resources Q1 2026 Earnings Call

Ramaco Resources (NASDAQ:METC) held its first-quarter earnings conference call on Tuesday. Below is the complete transcript from the call. Benzinga APIs provide real-time access to earnings call transcripts and financial data. Visit https://www.benzinga.com/apis/ to learn more. The full earnings call is available at https://event.choruscall.com/mediaframe/webcast.html?webcastid=00U0wB21 Summary Ramaco Resources repurchased 2.6 million shares of Class A common stock, representing about 5% of their stock, using $37 million of liquidity. The company ended Q1 with $490 million in liquidity, up 310% year-over-year, enabling options for share repurchases and investments in both coal and rare earth elements. Despite a challenging market with high diesel costs impacting mining expenses, Ramaco Resources maintained cash costs under $100 per ton for the third consecutive quarter. Production cutbacks are expected to create a supply imbalance that should positively impact pricing, with approximately 2 million tons already removed from the domestic market in 2025 and an estimated 3 million tons more expected. New rail loadout construction at the Maven complex is expected to be completed later in the year, potentially saving $20 per ton on trucking costs. The company is advancing in its rare earth element and critical minerals initiatives with expected announcements of milestones in the second half of the year. Ramaco Resources is reorganizing into a holding company with three new entities to enhance shareholder value and better reflect diverse asset profiles. Q1 adjusted EBITDA was negative $1.8 million, with Class A EPS showing a $0.30 loss, reflecting challenging market conditions. The company maintains a positive outlook on met coal demand, especially with expected supply contractions and strengthening global steel markets. Ramaco Resources plans to expand its low volume met coal production, anticipating a potential increase in volumes sold against the PLV index. Full Transcript OPERATOR Good day and welcome to The Ramaco Resources first quarter 2026 results conference call. All participants will be in listen only mode. Should you need assistance, please signal a conference specialist by pressing the star key followed by zero. After today's presentation, there will be an opportunity to ask questions. To ask a question, you may press star then one on your telephone keypad. To withdraw your question, then please press star then two. Please note this event is being recorded. I would now like to turn the conference over to Jeremy Sussman, Chief Financial Officer. Please go ahead. Jeremy Sussman (Chief Financial Officer) Thank you. On behalf of Ramaco Resources, I'd like to welcome all of you to our first quarter 2026 earnings conference call. With me this morning is Randy Atkins, our Chairman and CEO Chris Blanchard, our EVP for Mine Planning and Development, Jason Fanning, our Chief Commercial Officer and Mike Woloshuk, our EVP of Critical Mineral Operations. Before we start, I'd like to share our normal cautionary statement. Certain items discussed on today's call constitute forward looking statements within the meaning of the Private Securities Litigation Reform act of 1995. These forward looking statements represent Ramaco's expectations concerning future events. These statements are subject to risks, uncertainties and other factors, many of which are outside of Ramaco's control which could cause actual results to differ materially from the results discussed in the forward looking statements. Any forward looking statement speaks only as of the date on which it is made and except as required by law, Ramaco does not undertake any obligation to update or revise any forward looking statements, whether as a result of new information, future events or otherwise. I'd also like to remind you that you can find a reconciliation of the non GAAP financial measures that we plan to discuss today in our press release, which can be viewed on our website www.ramacoresources.com. lastly, I'd encourage everyone on this call to go onto our website and download today's investor presentation. With that said, let me introduce our Chairman and CEO Randy Atkins. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Thanks Jeremy. And thanks to everyone for joining us this morning. I'm going to lead off with our shareholder return and capital allocation strategy because since the start of the year we bought back a significant amount of stock and that has been for the first time. As we said in our release, thus far this year We've repurchased about 2.6 million shares of our Class A common stock at an average price of about 1450 per share and that represents about 5% of our stock. Our stock currently continues to trade below levels of last year when we issued equity either directly in a stock issuance last summer or indirectly through our convertible notes last fall. We're also now generally trading on a forward basis in line with our Met Coal peers based on consensus estimates. As a dual platform company, we're currently seeing very little value in our stock price that reflects our rare earth or other critical mineral assets. So given that backdrop, we're going to continue to explore whether buying shares represents a prudent investment of our current cash capital. As of today, we've got about 63 million of additional buying power under the original $100 million authorization which the Board provided last year. We also ended the first quarter with about $490 million in liquidity, which was up about 310% year over year. Our balance sheet is giving us lots of options to simultaneously consider continued share repurchases, advancing efforts at our Brook Mine or growth efforts for our low volume coals, and turning to the Met Coal business, we continued strong cost control in the same challenging market price conditions we've now endured for the past year. Our miss for this quarter has all been top line. This was the third consecutive quarter of cash costs which were under $100 per ton. In the face of the rising diesel prices this year, we've managed to accomplish this cost discipline without cutting wages or benefits to our miners, which we regard as the most significant. I would note that on our mine cost, the conflict within Iran has had a related impact of course on oil pricing and has escalated the cost of all of our fuel products. We've seen rack pricing increase to as high as $5.45 a gallon across our operations, which is up from about $2.50 at the end of last year. Based on our historical purchases and usage of diesel and gasoline on an annualized basis, Ramaco realizes about a dollar and a half per ton of cost increase for each dollar per gallon of diesel fuel increase. This impacts not only direct mine costs, but indirectly through third party transportation costs for both our raw and clean coal. While we're expecting fuel prices to ultimately subside sometime in the second half at current levels, the impact on our mining cost is approximately $4 per ton when compared to earlier this year in 26. And despite our continued solid operational performance, coal markets remain challenged both in general and especially on pricing once again, especially on high volume side. While high volume prices rose modestly in 1Q26, we still view current indices as unsustainably weak. One important point that I would like to note, however, is regarding future pricing. We are finally beginning to see some long anticipated drops in production both domestically and overseas. We are witnessing everything from bankruptcies, production cutbacks, distressed sale processes, and in all these cases they involve both large public and private producers. By our estimates, almost 2 million tons came out of the domestic market in 25 this year. We expect an additional roughly 3 million tons or more to follow at some inflection point. These production cutbacks will create a supply imbalance which will begin to impact pricing. We hope our growth plans relating to coal are all about the low volume markets. Last quarter we restarted our Laurel Fork mine and we'll be adding an additional third section to our Berwyn mine this summer. At full production, these projects are expected to add about 100 to 200,000 tons of low volt in 26 and about a half million tons of production additionally in 27. Our new rail loadout is under construction at our low volume Maben complex and is expected to be complete later this year. When it opens, we expect to save about $20 per ton on trucking cost and the loadout of course gives us more options when we consider whether and when to start our Maben 1.5 million ton low volume deep mine project as market conditions dictate. We've also been a bit quiet for the past few months on our rare earth element and critical minerals front. However, we have not been idle. I expect that in the second half we will reflect and announce a number of milestones. We have principally been waiting on receipt of the revised conceptual study from Hatch which we expect in late June, as well as the technical geological report summary coming from Weir which will follow. Both of these analyses are based on our new patent pending carbo chlorination processing technique. As we noted last quarter, our internal projections continue to estimate that this new flow sheet process should generate a material increase in incremental revenue and free cash flow. This is compared of course to our previously published projections by Fluor about a year ago using a different solvent extraction processing technique. With new independent analysis for the carbochlorination flow sheet coming in focus, we've ramped up efforts regarding potential offtake transactions and non dilutive third party financings. I will not get into specifics today, but we will make specific disclosures when those transactions are hopefully complete. But advanced discussions are continuing with both domestic and overseas groups and these include both public and private counterparties. A further note, the subsequent more detailed preliminary feasibility study also being prepared by Hatch remains on track to be completed in late 26 today in Wyoming, our building structure to house the pilot plant seems to be able to be completed this summer and the fabricated interior equipment will start installation this fall with full pilot operations starting in 2017, all as previously announced last quarter. I also mentioned that we were exploring some reorganization options for Ramaco's overall corporate structure as we move further into our dual platform. This effort is largely in response to anticipating the startup of our critical mineral operations. We have now taken a number of concrete legal and accounting steps to move this forward and have formed separate corporate entities within a holding company structure currently under the parent Ramaco Resources. One new company will be called Ramaco Royalty. This will house all our mineral reserve infrastructure, intellectual property rights and other related income producing assets. This will include our fee owned reserves of both metallurgical and thermal coals as well as our rare earth and critical minerals. Similarly, this entity will own our infrastructure assets in the east such as our prep plants and rail loadouts and in the west it will own our pre feed infrastructure related to the Brookbine processing facility. It will also include any possible rail infrastructure as well as the critical mineral and storage facility we have been working on with Goldman Sachs. To our knowledge, this will be a unique collection of income producing assets, especially those relating to rare earths, which will provide us some optionality in the future. The second company will be Ramaco Critical Mineral Resources. This will house the production and sales operations of our Western Brook Mine rare earth, critical minerals and thermal coal mining. Think of this as mirroring the same form of our existing Met coal development, production and sales operation in the east, except it will be exclusively focused on our Western critical minerals. The third company will be Ramaco Refining. This will hold the carbo chlorination separation facilities which will be constructed to process the Brook Mine critical mineral feedstocks into oxides and mrec. This reorganization is being taken to both ultimately enhance shareholder value and better reflect the different and distinct forms of assets and operations that we both currently have and are developing for the future. Each of these operations have different operating financial and capital market profiles, even though for the time being they will all operate under the holding company structure of our parent Ramaco Resources. Hopefully this structure will provide more operational and financial flexibility as we develop different and separate production, processing and sales businesses in both the Met Coal as well as the critical mineral space. We expect to have the pieces in place for this reorganization and in the second half of the year and we'll also talk about it further at that point. So with that I'd like to turn the floor back over to the rest of the team to discuss finances and operations and markets. But first I'll ask Mike Wolicek, who heads our critical mineral efforts, to provide some updates on our rare earth progress. So Mike, Mike Wolicek thank you Randy. In Q1 we continued advancing the conceptual study for the carbochlorination flow sheet with hatch. Key engineering deliverables have been completed and issued in the quarter. The mineralized Brook Mine coal used as a key reagent in this process is estimated to be a significant contribution to rare earth element production as the enriched coal seams are targeted for this duty. We identified opportunities to increase chlorine recycling and we have identified other opportunities that will be included in the final study report anticipated for late June. While we are continuing third party metallurgical testing, we placed key analytical and equipment orders to fit out our internal geometallurgical laboratory at the ICAM facility. This will enable a higher volume of test work and assay results to be delivered with faster turnaround times compared to the external labs. We anticipate internal geometallurgical testing to ramp up in early Q2 to support the next phases of this project. Also in Q1 we completed drilling of 33 holes with over 9,300ft of ground core. These drill programs include 27 infill drill holes and 6 water monitoring holes. We currently have 4 drill rigs on site and we anticipate drilling to continue to year end. In total we now have drilled 174 holes and 35,000ft of course since our program started. Pilot plant building construction activities included completion of the foundation system to support the floor slab with the overall building expected to be complete late summer and early fall. Our coal storage facility construction included completion of the foundation, the stem walls and lateral reinforced tension members. The overall structure is expected to be completed this month. Overall, we remain extremely excited about the Brook Mine opportunity with the carbo chlorination flow sheet. We will of course be in a position to discuss more about that once we have receipt of the hatch and we're reports expected shortly. Our overall timeline remains the same as we have previously disclosed. In the second half of this year we look forward to making meaningful progress on both completing the pilot plant build out. Along with the pre feasibility study. I would like to now turn the call over to our Chief Financial Officer Jeremy Sussman. Jeremy Sussman (Chief Financial Officer) Thank you Mike. Starting with the balance sheet, I'm pleased to note that our Record year end 2025 liquidity allowed us to opportunistically repurchase $37 million worth of shares since the beginning of this year. This effectively reduces our shares outstanding by 2.5 million shares. As Randy noted, as long as we believe that our stock remains substantially undervalued, we will continue to look to opportunistically repurchase shares to our advantage. We ended Q1 with one of the strongest balance sheets in the space with almost $500 million in liquidity in terms of first quarter performance. As Chris will discuss, operational results were again solid with cash cost per ton sold of $98. All of our primary peers have now reported Q1 results. I'm proud to note that our cash costs of $98 per ton continue to be in the first quartile of the US cash cost curve among our Central Appalachian Met coal peers. This figures especially thousand tons in the first quarter. Q1 cash margins of $16 per ton fell from $24 per ton in the same period of 2025. This was due to lower realized prices of $114 per ton compared to $122 per ton in Q1 of 25. As Jason will discuss, domestic highball markets remain weak despite Australian benchmark pricing improving $50 per ton year on year in Q1 of 2026. US highball indices declined $20 per ton during that same timeframe. Frankly, we view this trend as unsustainable given the level of losses we are seeing among higher cost producers. Our Q1 production fell modestly from the same period as last year as we continue to exercise production discipline in the face of challenging market conditions. In terms of our financial results, Q1 adjusted EBITDA was negative 1.8 million compared to 10 million in Q1 of 2025. Class A EPS showed a $0.30 loss in Q1 versus a $0.19 loss in the same period of last year. Looking forward, we are reiterating all key 2026 operational guidance including production tons sold and cash costs. In terms of second quarter 2026 guidance, we anticipate higher shipments between 900,000 and a million tons. We expect cash costs towards the higher end of the full year range for the second quarter on the back of elevated fuel costs due to the Iranian conflict. As we look ahead, our strong balance sheet and first quartile cash cost position provide us with meaningful optionality to both invest in our coal and rare earth elements business while also allowing us to continue to opportunistically repurchase shares. In addition, as of March 31st we had over 1 million tons sitting in inventory which will provide us with a meaningful working capital tailwind should markets improve throughout the year as we anticipate. With that said, I'd now like to turn the call back to Chris Blanchard, our EVP for Mine Planning and development. Chris Blanchard (EVP for Mine Planning and Development) Thanks Jeremy. Before jumping into some of our operational metrics and progress over the last few months, I wanted to recognize our coal miners for their significant improvements in safety and compliance in 2026 compared to the same period last year. While we still have much work to do towards an ultimate goal of zero incidents 2026 year to date, performance has improved by 250% compared to the same period in 2025 and is back on a trajectory of continuous improvement that we have had for most of our history in these challenging market conditions. It does remind us that a safe mine is a productive mine and productive mines tend to be lower cost as well. Turning to those performance metrics, we have been able to maintain acceptable cash costs at our operation despite headwinds on our operating supply costs. Specifically, the run up in the cost of diesel fuel driven by the Iranian conflict has impacted first quarter costs negatively by approximately $1.50 per ton sold compared to where we otherwise would have been. While fuel prices have pulled back from peak levels, they do remain elevated compared to the beginning of the year and we to monitor this closely. Also on the supply side, raw tungsten pricing is up by approximately 350% in 2026 on Chinese export controls. This has led to nearly 100% increase in the cost of our mining bits and tools, which particularly impacts our underground mines. We're continuing to work with our key suppliers to mitigate these cost increases and others whenever possible given the poor coal pricing environment. On the high volume side of the business, we have moderated production from our Elk Creek complex to both manage fiscal inventory and to not produce additional tons into a marginal market. Continuing to monitor the market conditions and may make further reductions throughout the year if they are warranted. However, at our low volume operations we continue to work to add new low cost production and lower our existing operating costs there. At the Berwind complex, The first of two new air shafts is nearing completion into our Berwind P4 mine. The second shaft will be excavated immediately following the first and we expect both shafts online and in operation by late August. This ventilation upgrade will then allow us to ramp the Berwind mine with another full super section and push this mine's production up to 900,000 to 1 million clean tons annually. While this ventilation work is still ongoing during April we brought online our idled Laurel Fork low volume. The ramp up of this single section mine is continuing and is on budget, currently switching to our Maben Low Vol complex, we have initiated the Norfolk Southern Rail loadout project. All major materials are procured and excavation for the loadout belts is already underway. We expect the unit train load up to be fully operational in the fourth quarter of 2026, fully eliminating all trucking logistics costs from our Maven mine and lowering projected cash costs in the railcar to the same low levels as the rest of Ramaco's mine. This should also allow the Maven product to move more easily into the domestic metallurgical coal markets as we contract for 2027. Finally, work continues at Maven on permitting and initial development work for the future underground mines planned for this complex. Moving forward, we are continuing to focus on those items which we have some ability to control, namely volume and costs. We're positioning ourselves to quickly capitalize on market improvements or shortfalls by other producers. For a discussion of the coal and critical mineral markets, I would now like to shift the call to Jason Fannin, Chief Commercial Officer. Jason Fannin Thanks Chris and good morning everyone. Today I'll discuss our Q1 sales results, provide an update on our 2026 met coal sales position and market outlook, and lastly, cover our Brook Mine critical minerals marketing efforts in progress. Regarding the seaborne metallurgical coal markets, I first want to address Q1 indices and pricing dynamics. Our realized pricing in Q1 was marginally lower quarter over quarter despite benchmark indices broadly moving higher. The explanation is straightforward and it comes down to two things which geographies and indices our book was sold into and against and a set of non recurring operational headwinds on the index side. Although the PLV headline number rose 17% in Q1, the relevant benchmarks for the majority of our export tonnage increased only about 6% quarter over quarter. These were sales against the US highball indices which today are about 35% lower than the PLV index and remain heavily deviated from their historical relativities to PLV. Another 25% of our Q1 sales were domestic shipments of high volatile coal with pricing of course down year over year about 8.5%. Furthermore, 55% of our Q1 exports went to Asia, which is the highest proportion in company history. Unfortunately, PLV linked business represent only about 15% of our overall Q1 volumes because a large PLB linked shipment representing another 6% of overall Q1 volume slip into early Q2 due to weather related logistics backlogs. Increased shipments against plblink contracts in Q2 should benefit export realizations versus Q1. On the operational side, severe weather disruptions to Both CSX and Norfolk Southern rail networks in January and February impacted our ability to make timely planned coal deliveries, particularly some higher priced domestic specialty orders which slipped into Q2. Also for Q2 we expect increased overall shipment volumes with our Great Lakes business now fully flowing and the normalization of the rail and weather related disruptions that impacted Q1. Execution on pricing for Q2 we expect to move about 70 to 75% of committed volumes to the seaborne market with about 25% of export tons priced off the PLV index, another 25% on a fixed pricing basis and the remaining seaborne volumes roughly evenly split and priced against the US low volume and the US high volume indices respectively. Turning to our overall 2026 sales position, we have now secured commitments for a total of three and a half million tons which represents about 90% of our planned annual production. At the midpoint, domestic Customers account for 1.1 million tons at an average fixed price of $138 per ton. Export commitments total 2.4 million tons comprised of 1 million tons at an average fixed price OF $107 per ton and 1.4 million tons on index linked pricing mechanisms. As of the end of Q1 we had shipped about 650,000 tons of our annual index based business and had about 1.75 million tons remaining to price. As we look ahead to the second half of 2026, we are optimistic about an improved market environment for Metcold. On the demand side, protectionist policies in the US and Europe have lifted steel prices and increased hot metal output, while India's 2026 crude steel production is projected to increase 8 to 9% year over year. Furthermore, in one of the most constructive developments for seaborne coking coal demand in some time, China's steel exports have fallen nearly 10% through April on a year over year basis. If that moderation proves durable, it will lend considerable support to global steel prices and blast furnace mill margins. On the supply side, we expect high volume coking coal production to continue to contract throughout the year, which should narrow the wide disparity between US High volume indices and Australian indices. Randy and Jeremy have already pointed to a number of Appalachian and Australian producers who have either gone into bankruptcy, curtailed productions or placed in sales for sale as the year plays out. This expected supply contraction will have an impact. Specifically regarding Australia, we believe current PLV levels are not only sustainable but have further upside as the year goes on. This is set against the backdrop of limited capital investment, high royalty taxes and continued production issues and interruptions alongside strengthening global steel markets. Moving to our Brook Mine, we continue to advance our critical minerals marketing program. With increasing momentum, our expanded marketing team is actively engaging potential customers and partners in the US and overseas across the full Brook Mine product portfolio. We hope to announce various counterparty MOU transactions this coming quarter. As we generate additional lab scale and pilot scale material in 2027, we expect these MOU frameworks to evolve toward formal commercial agreements. With that, I'll turn it back over to the operator for the Q and A portion of the call operator. OPERATOR We will now begin the question and answer session. To ask a question, you may press Star then one on your telephone keypad. If you are using a speakerphone, please pick up your handset before pressing the keys. If at any time your question has been addressed and you would like to withdraw your question, please press Star then two. At this time, we will pause momentarily to assemble our roster. Our first question comes from Brian Lee of Goldman Sachs. Go ahead please. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Hey guys, this is Tyler Bissendon for Brian. Thanks for taking our questions. Appreciate all the color on the impact from the higher cost on the coal side. And so you know, as you think out for the rest of the year, presumably you are bringing back online some higher cost operations. So how do you think about your cost trends in the back half of the year? Can you just kind of walk us through some of the puts and takes there? Chris, why don't you handle that? But Brian, I mean, I think effectively what we're bringing back online at the Berwyn mine is not necessarily what I would describe as a high cost operation. It's actually one of our better cost products. So. But Chris, why don't you go into a little bit more granularity? Yeah. Chris Blanchard (EVP for Mine Planning and Development) So obviously last year we did idle the Laurel Fork mine, which is the one that we've restarted in April, but it is only being restarted until the ventilation work I was describing is completed at the Berwyn mine. We're using it as a staging ground to hire the workforce that will then be transferred over to Berwyn so that we don't have to experience the same ramp up in production and hiring at Berwyn that we normally would if we waited till September to start that section. So we would have that normal incremental while you've got the lower production ramp up at Berwyn. We're just choosing to take that in advance. And it's a relatively small amount of tons that Laurel Fork will produce over April through August, so don't view that as impacting the cost. Probably more than A dollar overall on the low volume side of the business. And then ultimately when Berwin starts that mine has historically been one of our lowest cost producers in the portfolio. Tyler Bissendon Awesome. Super helpful. And then on the sales commitments, I know these represent about 90% of your production midpoint of guidance, but it's just 80% of the midpoint of your sales guidance. So I guess what gives you confidence that you can book these incremental volumes to meet your sales guidance for the year? Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) I guess what are again, what are some of the puts and takes here through the balance of the year? Sure. Jason, you want to take that? Yeah, sure. Jason Fannin Yeah. So, Tyler, this is Jason. Yeah, certainly we're seeing demand start to pick up already here. I think it's, you know, a lot of that's just on the back of the various geographies still. Markets improving, you know, certainly Europe. We've seen some changes. More incremental demand there and then, you know, we're quite confident here in what we're seeing not coming out of China. As far as the demand we're starting to, starting to see into the Pacific particularly, you know, we talked about the Maven loadout firing up. We've actually got our first cargo of Maven going seaborne this quarter into the Pacific against plv. So, you know, I think I'm both the high volume and the low volume sides there. Again, we're being prudent with the high volume, but we're seeing demand start to pick up. You know, we just got to be smart about the pricing. Tyler Bissendon All right, thank you. I'll turn it over. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Thanks, Brian. OPERATOR The next question comes from Jeff Gramp of Northland Capital Markets. Go ahead, please. Jeff Gramp Good morning all. Thanks for the time. I was curious as it relates to potential offtake agreements or MOUs at Brooke. I mean, you guys can't get into too much today, but curious if there's any particular products that are gaining more interest versus others that you think are more actionable in the near term. Thanks. Yeah, of course, as I said earlier, I don't want to tempt fate and get into too much specifics, but I mean, I would say that the products in general that a number of our potential customers are focused on are Gallium and Scandium. So we were actually relatively pleased by the interest that we've gotten on Scandium since that's been a subject of some criticism of our portfolio in the past. Got it. Appreciate that. And for my follow up, given the strong balance sheet that you guys have here, I'm wondering your thoughts on M and A Maybe even bifurcating that in terms of potential on the Met Coal side, given some of the near term distress. And then if there's anything on the critical minerals railroad side that might be interesting. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) So as I've kind of quipped before, you know, on M and A, we're not too fond of the M, but we're happy to look at the A. And you know, we've opportunistically, you know, as part of frankly our DNA, done acquisitions, particularly of reserves that we felt were able to be opportunistically acquired. We bought a large portfolio from Coronado here several months ago. We've done other purchases of similar note over the years. I think it's becoming a more target rich environment, if you will call it that. And we are certainly out there looking again. If we see anything that seems to make sense, we'll pull the trigger again, assuming we can get it at an opportunistic price. And the market conditions today would seem to dictate that there may be a few things that you could pick up on an advantage basis. All right, understood. OPERATOR Appreciate those comments. We'll stay tuned. Thank you. The next question comes from David Sunderland of Baird. Go ahead please. David Sunderland Hey, good morning guys. Thank you very much for the time and thank you for taking our questions. Maybe you do for me first. I know earlier this year you guys talked a bit about some backlogs at the National Labs and some of the other third party testing sites. I just wondered if these have improved, worsened, stay the same or any other thoughts you could provide an outlook for this for the balance of the year and then I have one follow up. Sure. Well, I'm going to let Mike go into granular detail, but one rather important thing is we're now starting to onboard testing to our own facilities out at our research facility in Wyoming. So I'm hopeful that as we get certainly more space out there, we will then be able to do a lot of the at least initial testing work ourselves out in Wyoming. Of course, once we get the pilot facility up and atom, then we'll be doing a great deal of testing. But as far as third party groups, Mike, why don't you comment on that? Mike Wolicek Yeah, look, it's still persisted as a challenge. I think there's a lot of activity happening in critical minerals domestically and the labs are full. So you know, we identified this a couple of quarters ago and therefore fitting out our own labs. So we expect to be doing our own testing and I think that'll alleviate some of the challenges that the entire industry Is facing with regards to lab capacity. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Super helpful, and thank you both for that. Maybe my second one. And again, fully acknowledge that more details are later to come this year. But maybe for you, Randy, just wondering if you could talk a bit more about the strategy or the rationale maybe to break things down in this reorganization the way that you did. Maybe why you're doing it by assets versus by products, or just any other thoughts on this specific methodology would be helpful and thank you guys very much. Sure. You bet. So, I mean, as we started down this process of really having sort of a dual platform with two different critical minerals. Coal is now a critical mineral as well, of course. But the rare earths and their adjacent critical minerals obviously are viewed in an entirely different light than the coal business. Needless to say, if you go back and look at publicly traded companies in the rare earth space, they traded at a slightly different multiple than coal companies. So I think ultimately at some point it would make sense to be able to unlock the value that we have in our various assets so that they could be ultimately separately valued in the marketplace as opposed to being in sort of a more conglomerate structure. You know, growing up, I looked at a lot of conglomerates, and I remember they were very complicated, of course, for analysts to be able to follow because they're completely different businesses in many cases. Even though all of our business are somewhat mining related, Certainly the processing aspects of the rare earth business are completely different than anything associated with the coal industry. And the other thing which is pretty unique, of course, is we, like a lot of other companies, have a pretty substantial amount of reserve assets, Both in the coal as well as in the rare earth space. I mean, we've got a huge reserve base out in Wyoming, and there are frankly not very many entities out there that will be able to show sort of an income stream coming from unique assets like the coal and rare earth combined. So we think at some point, although we trade now in sort of our B stock in similar fashion, we expect at some point to probably be able to sort of drop down many of the infrastructure assets that we've got in both the east and the west into this platform, and it could be a very compelling royalty play. So that's kind of the thinking, certainly on that particular aspect of it. The refinery business, very different business, of course, trades at different multiples. It's more of a commoditized business. Certainly from a capex standpoint, that will be the highest ticket of all of our development efforts. We won't have the numbers nailed down until we Publish something independently from Hatch later next month. But you can assume that a rare earth processing facility is a high ticket capital expenditure. And then of course, you know, the mining and sales aspects that we'll do out west will again be very similar in concept and conduct to what we do out East. So I think we'll have an interesting blend of. Of different entities. We don't have any specific plans at this point, you know, other than getting everything sort of set up and put into separate categories and separate entities. But that then provides us the optionality to decide later on what is the most advantaged way to recognize value for our shareholders. Because I think, you know, we've got a number of different assets that I think could provide some really compelling value to our shareholders as we move forward. That's great. Thank you very much. I'll pass it on. OPERATOR The next question comes from Carlos d' Alba of Morgan Stanley. Go ahead, please. Carlos d' Alba Yeah, thank you very much. Good morning, everyone. I just wanted to, if you could maybe drill down a little bit more on the rationale to separate the. In the restructuring that you are doing to separate the Ramaco refining business for the Brook Mine critical mineral feedstocks and the Ramaco critical minerals, given that presumably they are fairly integrated operations. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Yeah, so, great question, Carlos. I tried to take a stab at that, addressing the last the comment, but, you know, again, the refining aspect of critical minerals, as you well know, is an entirely different breed of cat than the sort of processing aspect that relates to the coal business. So I think kind of including and wrapping the refining together with the mining and sales conceivably is mixing two different type of operations which again, could trade at different types of multiples if they were, you know, freestanding operations. So I think, you know, providing a platform for rare earth sales and mining is going to be one platform that I think will be pretty clean to understand. And I think then the refining business sort of segregated into a separate entity provides us some different ways to look at both financing that but also operating it. So I think it gives us some options that we're now seriously pursuing on a number of different fronts, which I can't really get into. All right. Okay. We'll wait for further details down the road. And then maybe another one is relating the thermocol mining within the root mine. This is a very important byproduct that will help the economics of the project. Can you give us any update on customer discussions and offtakes or mouse for that thermocol volume? Yes, we are now, of course, happy to Have Jason touch on that as well. We are discussing right now with a number of utility groups, potential offtakes. We're even exploring longer term some possible avenues for being able to make on site use of the thermal coal in some manners, which I won't get into right now, but that could be interesting. But I think, you know, as it relates to the actual mining, you know, we don' really want to engage in full scale mining right now even though we would be able presumably to move a thermal product because, you know, what we don't want to do is have large stockpiles of critical mineral feedstock which we won't be able to effectively process until we have actually, of course, a commercial facility. So we're setting ourselves up to be able to have the thermal coal moved sort of in sequence and in sync with our critical mineral processing and mining operations. And as you well point out, needless to say, you know, our economics out there are interesting because you know, what would typically be waste in a critical mineral operation in our case? The byproduct, of course, is coal. And we're able to sell that at economics even based on current thermal prices, which would in essence pretty much pay for all the mining, for all the products inclusive of the critical minerals. Great, thank you very much. Thank you, Carlos. OPERATOR The next question comes from Nathan Martin of the Benchmark company. Go ahead, please. Nathan Martin Thanks, operator. Good morning everyone. Really, just a clarification question to start you guys previously called the expected vineyard report from Hatchet a preliminary economic analysis. Now seem to be referring to it as a revised conceptual study. Maybe no difference, but just wanted to make sure. Is there any anticipated change in the data we should expect from that report? Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Sort of. The short and long answer is that you can expect no change in what the data that will be developed in the report. It will have the same sort of commercial and technical feasibility that was developed when the Fluor report was put out last year under the solvent extraction technique. The change in nomenclature is candidly from a compliance standpoint to keep in regulatory formality with SK 1300, which the SEC has suggested that, you know, the way that these studies be described should be done as a conceptual study as opposed to the prior nomenclature which was called a pea. Okay, got it, Randy, Appreciate that. Maybe. Jason, question for you. You gave us a lot of good Jason Fannin detail, I think around expected sales throughout the rest of the year. I might have missed this, but again, you guys mentioned the lower netback realizations on export sales into Asia in the first quarter caused by the elevated freight rates. What portion of your remaining sales, you expect to be sold on a CFR basis and could possibly impact freight rates as well, that they remain higher. Yeah, Nate, this is Jason. Thanks. So we actually typically sell very little on CFR basis, but where we saw the impact, of course, going into the Pacific was on recognized freight differentials there versus the Australian shipments. So it certainly did. You know, we had several good pricing mechanisms in Q1 set up, you know, in advance of the, you know, uranium conflict. And once we start to see the impacts of that, you know, it was baked into the overall mechanism. That's where we saw the hit. And then certainly, you know, again, given the fact that we had one large shipment slip out of the very end of the quarter there, disappointing, you know, impacted us as well there. And typically also Q1 is our. Usually our lower domestic sales in terms of total volume out the door. So all those things kind of came together there in that impact on that pricing. Nathan Martin Okay, and then you mentioned domestic, Jason. I did see domestic tonnage remained at 1.1 million tons, but I think pricing was down about $4 versus last quarter. Anything specific you could talk about that drove that change? And then do you expect any additional domestic sales thus far with a little bit of open tonnage still out there? Jason Fannin Yeah, sure. So on your first question here on the pricing change, so nothing's changed there in terms of the customers, the structures, all that sort of thing, we're marking some certain fees differently than we had before just to get better apples to apples price in comparison to within our book. And that's the entirety of that change on that overall price on the domestic side. And then, yeah, on the pickup in domestics, we have seen a couple points of interest, as you can suspect, on the high volt side just given from operations that have either already shut down or curtailing or in the process of shutting down. So obviously we view that as a positive sign. Elk Creek has an excellent reputation in the domestic market and we typically get one of the first phone calls when folks need high volume. And we're seeing that already. So we see that as very positive, certainly for the second half. All right, very helpful. I'll pass it on. Nathan Martin Appreciate the time and best of luck. Thank you. OPERATOR Our next question comes from Sundaria Ivar of B. Riley Securities. Go ahead, please. Nick Hey, thanks, operator. This is actually Nick on from B. Riley. First question was just sorry if I missed this in the prepared remarks, but I wanted to ask if you could just provide a breakdown of Capex or break out the Met Coal Capex between sustaining and growth and then on the growth side, what's baked in today and what other levers do you have to ultimately increase low volume exposure and just what that capital intensity looks like. Thanks Jeremy. Please take this. Jeremy Sussman (Chief Financial Officer) Yeah. Hey Nick. So when we think of our capex guidance for the year, you know, it's pretty close to, you know, 50, 50 in terms of, I'll call it maintenance on the, on the coal front and then growth on both the coal and the rare earth and critical minerals front. So you know, I'd use about 10 to $11 a ton on the coal side. So let's call it about $45 million of maintenance capital and then another 20 or so for you know, our low volt growth this year, which is obviously the third section at Berwyn and then the rail load out at Maven with of course the remaining for, you know, for rare earths on the, you know, on the growth side. I think, as you noted, you know, our focus on the coal front is really on the low volume side. So you know, that's ultimately taking the Berwind mine up to four sections. And should we again, should we choose go that would, we can go underground at the Maimin complex which would add up to another million and a half tons. All of this is market dependent. You know, we are starting to see some positive signs ahead and certainly as we move throughout the year and start budgeting for 27, these are obviously things we'll take a hard look at. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) And I think just to sort of add a coda to what Jeremy said Jason mentioned, we've got one of our Maven shipments that's now going seaborne this quarter, which we think is important because to the extent we can establish the Maven brand overseas, that'll be an important market for volumes on low ball that are going to be much higher than we've historically experienced. So we view that very positively and you know, we are certainly in a liquidity position of course to initiate the Maven deep expansion just as soon as we think we've got a sufficient clarity on market signals that give us comfort that once we put it in, we're going to have a strong market once we start actual full commercial production. Got it. Thanks for that guys. Maybe just one more clarifying one. I think I heard 15% was PLV linked of Met shipments this quarter. Jason Fannin Where could that go in 2Q and then where should we expect that to settle when Berwin kind of ramps up later this year? Jason, you want to take that? Yep, sure. Nick So yeah, Nick, this is Jason Q2 right now we're projecting on basis, what's committed, about 25% of exports, basis PLV. I think that's maybe just slightly over 20% of overall volumes and still with obviously a few tons out there, still a place in Q2 which will look to that market, you know, in the back half. What I can say, you know, few things. One, we inked a term highball deal very, very late in Q1 that just started against PLB that'll flow through the entire year. So we'll see the impact more of that in Q2 and in the back half. Randy and I both mentioned the maven trial here. We've got this quarter where we're hopeful that that leads to more business on that front. And then also we're currently in negotiations, I can say with one large firm customer on PLV link business to add additional cargoes in the second half. So based on where we sit here today, I would expect it to increase. It's just hard to put a number on that right now. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Got it. No, that's very helpful Jason. I appreciate it. Just one more if I could just when we think about the carbochlorination process as you build IP around this, I mean is the patent protection ultimately around something chemistry related or is it the application to coal hosted material? Just trying to get a sense for what you would ultimately protect against. And just as some of your peers are exploring processing as well. Thanks. Sure Nick. So I'll let Mike go into somewhat more detail, but suffice to say that our IP projections are both designed to be broad and all encompassing. So it would include all of the areas that you would just articulated. Anything that we can regard as trade secrets, you know, we will be protecting. Because I think, you know, what we're going to have is a pretty unique process which may ultimately be able to be utilized, certainly not only with respect to our coals, but other coals and other coal related products. So if we get it perfected, it's a pretty good mousetrap. And that's why once again when I commented that we're going to have some very interesting things that we think are going to be sort of downloaded into our Ramaco royalty entity, that includes royalties and potential IP income that would flow from those which I think over time could be a very impactful bit of income to us. Guys, appreciate the update and continued. Best of luck. Mike, do you want to go into a little more comment there on the IP side as it relates to more the specifics on the processes themselves? Mike Wolicek Yeah, I would just add that you touched on a couple of things. Rare earths and critical minerals and coal and carbonaceous clays. Definitely. We want to lock this technology up. The IP is also around the extraction and purification around some of those critical minerals. So, you know, the beauty of this deposit is we aren't purchasing a reagent. We have it there and it's mineralized. So, you know, if you had to purchase coal as a reagent or carbon for this reaction, we're producing it at a fraction of the cost. And we're generating a significant amount of our critical minerals from the coal itself. So that's what the IP is around. Nick Got it. Thanks for that, Mike. That's. That's more clear. I appreciate it. OPERATOR This concludes our question and answer session. I would like to turn the conference back over to Randall Atkins, chairman and CEO, for any closing remarks. Randy Atkins (Chairman and CEO) Sure. Well, first of all, of course, I want to thank everyone for joining us today. As we commented earlier, we expect probably by the end of next month, certainly maybe just slipping into July, maybe for the Weir report. But we'll certainly receive something from both Hatch and Weir which we regard as a pretty significant milestone. At that point. We are considering probably coming back into the market to have a separate report which will be both disclosed in written form. And we probably will consider also having somewhat of a separate and unique call which will certainly be able to entertain questions from both analysts and shareholders on. So we would expect that to happen sometime probably in July would be my expectation. But this would be before our Q2 earnings call, which we would expect to probably happen in early August. So with that, I thank everybody again for being on the call today and we'll look forward to our next catch up. Thank you very much. Disclaimer: This transcript is provided for informational purposes only. 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